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  The First Holocaust

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  please, please ignore all the scientific impossibilities here, that's not what this topic is about.. let's make the assumption as many christians do that the bible is historically accurate.

  the noachian flood actually happened a little less than 4,500 years ago after which eight adults stepped off the ark to repopulate the planet.. that means that approximately 60 million lives had been snuffed out, a holocaust by anyone's estimation.

  as if that isn't horrific enough just think about the babies, toddlers and young children god killed.. he drowned all of them, every single one.

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  joey jojo

  KalebOutWest
  Our culture is impotant to us. The music, food, dress, languages, holidays and myths and just some of the ways we celebrate our identity as a people.
  It isn't slavery to celebrate your culture.

  I understand there are a lot of jews that dont necessarily believe in god and yet are still proudly jewish and may follow some customs or none at all. However, around 90% of jews are circumcised. Why is that? Is that not a direct result of a commandment from god that is expected to be followed by every jewish family? I would argue that it is a religious ritual that has enslaved generations.

  From what I understand, the passover and festival of tabernacles may have been observed before the torah as harvest festivals. Harvest festivals were universally celebrated among early humanity and are not unique to the jewish culture.

  What I am referring to by 'enslaved' is any ritual with a religious origin that obligates a person to do a certain thing at a certain time. If the torah is 'mainly illustrative', then why bother with any of it? If its culture and tradition that dictates these observances, where did that tradition start? Most traditions observed by modern jews seem to have religious beginnings and are therefore commands, not lifestyle choices.

  What Im trying to say is that if god doesnt exist to many jews, or may exist, why follow any jewish rituals if most of them originate with the torah and are religious commands given by god - who many jews dont believe is real?
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  The First Holocaust

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  please, please ignore all the scientific impossibilities here, that's not what this topic is about.. let's make the assumption as many christians do that the bible is historically accurate.

  the noachian flood actually happened a little less than 4,500 years ago after which eight adults stepped off the ark to repopulate the planet.. that means that approximately 60 million lives had been snuffed out, a holocaust by anyone's estimation.

  as if that isn't horrific enough just think about the babies, toddlers and young children god killed.. he drowned all of them, every single one.

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  joey jojo

  Kaleb, I don't profess to be an expert on anything, let alone Judaism. However, I'm usually left a little confused after reading how some Jewish people explain their faith.

  For example, after reading your last post I dont know whether you believe there is a god or whether you believe the bible- you said that Jews don't take it literally. What does that mean exactly? If they don't take it literally, or you 'dont obey or believe blindly', why are so many jews enslaved to countless biblical obligations like the sabbath?
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  The First Holocaust

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  please, please ignore all the scientific impossibilities here, that's not what this topic is about.. let's make the assumption as many christians do that the bible is historically accurate.

  the noachian flood actually happened a little less than 4,500 years ago after which eight adults stepped off the ark to repopulate the planet.. that means that approximately 60 million lives had been snuffed out, a holocaust by anyone's estimation.

  as if that isn't horrific enough just think about the babies, toddlers and young children god killed.. he drowned all of them, every single one.

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  joey jojo

  I agree, of course we have a culpability, a moral obligation to try to improve the world. Looking to the OT for guidance is not the answer.

  Humans have completely destroyed the earth by following this command:

  Gen 1:28- God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

  In 2024, it is estimated that 96% of land mammals consist only of humans, our pets and domesticated animals, like pigs, horses, cattle, sheep. Only 4% of the remaining mammals are 'wild'. Something like 70% of all birds are chickens.

  Of the available land on earth, 40% is under cultivation, meaning, instead of biodiversity, massive land areas contain just a single sterile crop. That crop is produced by ensuring that nothing else can grow where it is growing by using herbicides and pesticides. Land used for farming automatically displaces animals that once lived there. Pollution caused by farming practises is well documented.

  So, the result of following gods command in genesis has been to cause mass extinctions except for the animals that are useful, or tasty.
  
  
  
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  The Date for the Memorial is WRONG this year!

  by Kelley959 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  an interesting video was on youtube with a person claiming that the memorial date for 2024 was wrong.

  so i consulted three different jewish calendars online and sure enough, he appears to be right.

  i went back to 2014 and forward to 2027. they have the future dates listed.

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  joey jojo

  A few online sources say Passover is calculated 14 days from the new moon closest to the equinox, not after it. Some others say it's the first full moon after the equinox- which is almost the same thing.

  The closest new moon to the march equinox is March 10. So 14 days from then is March 24.
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  The First Holocaust

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  please, please ignore all the scientific impossibilities here, that's not what this topic is about.. let's make the assumption as many christians do that the bible is historically accurate.

  the noachian flood actually happened a little less than 4,500 years ago after which eight adults stepped off the ark to repopulate the planet.. that means that approximately 60 million lives had been snuffed out, a holocaust by anyone's estimation.

  as if that isn't horrific enough just think about the babies, toddlers and young children god killed.. he drowned all of them, every single one.

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  joey jojo

  Threats like the one in Leviticus, tap into the fears of members of early civilisations. Famine, attacks by wild animals, natural disasters, disease etc, were real fears, just like they are today, except we understand the cause wasn't angry, displeased spirits.

  A society that believed they lived and died at the whim of god(s) bred radical, superstitious behaviour with barbarous punishments, which we have inherited. Those behaviours are hard to shake off.

  Something like disfellowshipping is directly related to these early beliefs.
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  The Date for the Memorial is WRONG this year!

  by Kelley959 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  an interesting video was on youtube with a person claiming that the memorial date for 2024 was wrong.

  so i consulted three different jewish calendars online and sure enough, he appears to be right.

  i went back to 2014 and forward to 2027. they have the future dates listed.

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  joey jojo

  I understand that the passover falls 14 days from the first new moon after the spring equinox.

  March 20, 2024: spring equinox

  April 8, 2024: First new moon after Spring Equinox

  22 April: Passover (+ 14 days from April 8).

  Im not an expert so dont take my word for it.
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  The secret 10 year plan to save the watchtower .

  by gavindlt in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://youtu.be/pszy22hzj8o.

  new light?.

  https://www.dadseekingtruth.com/.

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  joey jojo

  Regarding re-instating disfellowshipped people,there has been a leak of a 2024 watchtower that discusses the new light from the annual meeting regarding who will be forgiven.

  That talk , was it by Splane??- is all about second guessing God's thought process concerning events such as the destruction of Sodom and if anyone will be resurrected, even though god explicitly stated there was no one worth saving, not even, presumably, babies.

  This talk, and also the talk about salvation being possible right up until the end, after the great tribulation has started,seems to set the scene for the possibility to change policies around disfellowshipped ones, and disfellowshipping in general.

  As others have pointed out, if there is a mass reinstatement event, I doubt apostates will be invited to the party.
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  The secret 10 year plan to save the watchtower .

  by gavindlt in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://youtu.be/pszy22hzj8o.

  new light?.

  https://www.dadseekingtruth.com/.

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  joey jojo

  Elmer
  I agree Gorb. The GB are just figureheads the way Colonel Sanders was to KFC

  
  
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  How would you define RELIGION, and why?

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  "judge" rutherford defined or classified all religion as "a snare and a racket" in his books "religion" and "enemies".. after rutherford's death in 1942, his protege, watchtower vice president, and aclu darling, hayden c. covington, in the early 1950's, for reasons of legal expedience and supremacist aspirations, suddenly converted the watchtower into a religion.. this was done alongside one of the most audacious, spurious and longstanding swindles of the us legal system.

  this involved twisting philippians 1:7 and misrepresenting the watchtower's true nature, objectives and activities.. .

  this meant that it became necessary for the watchtower to suddenly reclassify and redefine religion (w51 1/15 p. 43 new legal booklet well named; w51 8/15 p. 511 questions from readers; yb75 p. 161 part 2 "for gladys bolton...").. two new watchtower classifications were suddenly created: "true religion" and "false religion".. now "true religion" meant "true beliefs" whilst "belief" in ever changing watchtower doctrine was equated with the one "faith" of scripture.. all this while the watchtower increasingly and maliciously truncated, obfuscated and hid the liberating full "good news" (or unabridged gospel) of scripture, which it lyingly claimed (in court) that it was actually "defending and legally establishing".. how would you have defined religion before learning ttatt?.

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  joey jojo

  Religion:

  An organisation that offers its members the opportunity to cheat death provided they follow their rules exclusively.
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  Zoom replaced with KHCONF+ app for meetings?

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just heard about khconf+ app replacing zoom for hybrid meetings at kngdom halls.

  did a quick search here and didnt find any posts about it.

  have i missed something?.

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  joey jojo

  Just heard about KHCONF+ app replacing Zoom for hybrid meetings at kngdom halls. Did a quick search here and didnt find any posts about it. Have I missed something?

  Here is a link: https://www.khconf.com/index.php
  

  The app privacy statement indicates that the borg will gather a lot more user data than they could with zoom. https://www.khconf.com/privacy-policy.php

  Are KH's adopting this?

  Edited: I was using khconf+ in search. I dropped the + and found some info. :)